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we are going to kick off part two of the

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listener collin in northern ireland

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we've got a first time caller at the

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podcast jonathan how are we doing today

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morgan andy how are you i am very well

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and do you know what i i always love

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joking about the accent on this podcast

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uh wait till they hear the noise that

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northern irish and the scottish going at

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the same time so

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uh i think we'll be confusing a lot of

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people around the world aren't they

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definitely absolutely but listen it's

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good to have you on jonathan at the

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floor is yours what do you want to talk

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yes andy thank you

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yes i'd like to talk about first of all

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lou ellison

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uh people within the uh new year that

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are interested in ufos and people in the

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media as well

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a lot of people do crashing his

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he's obviously an insider he knows a

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whole lot more than he can say which he

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uh he's someone that the government as

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you know blank list or you know rub him

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people the questioned were you know why

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to people high up in the um military

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crashing the bed he was in contact with

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different levels and this is just one

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of make up your own mind on lou because

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week and either he is totally genuine

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like i believe anyway and he is he's

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the right reasons or he's he's lied to

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everyone and then sat and lied to my

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face as well but i i doubt that i i'm

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of the right reasons as well and you

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a faith isn't it you have to kind of put

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your faith in that he's doing this

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what happened before was a positive and

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we've just taken things forward but

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he doesn't make outlandish claims

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certain researchers where he may

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maybe don't know anything about ufos he

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or the real factor even in that um he's

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abduction cases is that right yes i

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interracial couple um they didn't want

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to get you know attention from this

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um and their story has over the

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the last few decades as has held up and

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something that really brought home to me

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the whole idea of uaps and ufos and how

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real it could be

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that interesting why do you think

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betty and bernie hill travis walton

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newer abduction cases like that to talk

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about is that just a sign of the times

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um there was a lot of interest and could

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these be soviets

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you know military operations perhaps

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and plus the culture at the time there

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was a lot of interest in media about

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ufos you had the statement speed work

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for them as well

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um encounters of the third kind

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um so there's a lot of interest at that

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time

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um plus it was very

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sensational um i think when we get to

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today

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the reason why we don't hear about

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abductions is i think that our

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difference moved on

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in regards to

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both the mainstream media he would have

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picked up on the abductions in the past

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and made fun of it to be honest

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um

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but i think the conversations has moved

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on today i think there does be

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abductions today i think there has been

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stigma

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attached in the past couple of decades

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to people like travis walton

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um

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you know everybody and bonnie hill

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i think people have been

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not wanting to come forward

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um you know people get

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you know they got

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thrown through the mail on us on it um

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it's something that people don't want to

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do

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i think now i think you'll see maybe in

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the coming years

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you'll see more people coming forward

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talking about abductions because the

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stigma i think is slowly going away

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i think people like travis walton was

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very brave in coming out

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on a stockton story 100 percent since

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day one

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he stuck a lot of grief um i can't see

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how anybody would want to do this

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for fame

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um or money

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because i think in the long run um it

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doesn't work like that um i think the us

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government as well as well as

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governments across the world we all

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stuck with the us government because

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they're the government with the

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resources

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and to investigate this um

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but i think governments around the world

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are trying to bury this

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um

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and put people down for it

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so i think today we're focusing more on

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nuclear

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um sites

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both civilian and

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military and just a very you know

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fighters very interesting to see that uh

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senator

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and kirsten gillibrand has

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put forward our

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um

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amendment for inclusion in the 2022

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national defense authorization act

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uh it's early days on that you know i'd

352
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love to read more into that but uh

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basically you know sees someone who's

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actually um

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you know see set on the

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um

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phenomenon advisory committee well

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actually that's actually what she's

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actually

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proposing that that has set up yeah um

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you see it's been briefed her and

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um

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looking this amendment happened briefly

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on the subject

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and she ceasing classified data and

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classified images

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so this isn't just a senator who just

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has happens to have an interest in you

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and ufos and put in this forward she's

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actually seeing data and classified

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information

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and on the back of this she's looking

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for this to

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be moved forward

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uh which is quite interesting again this

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is another aspect of maybe what lou

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erasondo and chris mellon are doing

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behind the scenes that we don't hear

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about and often that's probably more

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important than what we are actually

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hearing about

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and so that's why i think in fact 10

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years time i think we'll be much much

384
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further down the line there are secrets

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that the u.s government and governments

386
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around the world are holding on this it

387
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doesn't mean that they know what's going

388
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on but for their own reasons and to be

389
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honest if i was

390
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you know part of the us government or

391
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kind of had the information on this

392
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he knows i might even choose to go down

393
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the same route

394
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and because we don't know the full

395
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details and i think it's very telling

396
00:14:20,949 --> 00:14:18,800
that um when lou elisondo and there's

397
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lots been talked about his somber

398
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comment and what all this is

399
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i think the real truth behind it could

400
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be a whole lot more

401
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disturbing and a whole lot different

402
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than what we could even imagine right

403
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now which is why

404
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louis alexander is trying to move this

405
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forward step by step because

406
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if you told someone two or three hundred

407
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years ago that you would you know if you

408
00:14:42,710 --> 00:14:41,360
should have done one left every 18

409
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fighter jet

410
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it would blow their minds

411
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you know um

412
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you know like in the bible you know you

413
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you would you would um read about you

414
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know people being taken up to heaven and

415
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chariots of fire yeah but that's the

416
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language they used in that time that

417
00:15:01,350 --> 00:14:58,880
nothing else to compare it to other than

418
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a chariot you know with a horse

419
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so if they've seen and

420
00:15:06,470 --> 00:15:05,040
seen something like an f-18 better jet

421
00:15:08,710 --> 00:15:06,480
in the sky is two and a half thousand

422
00:15:10,629 --> 00:15:08,720
years ago that's the language they use

423
00:15:13,509 --> 00:15:10,639
just like the language we use today to

424
00:15:15,590 --> 00:15:13,519
describe the ufo uap

425
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as a vehicle a trans medium vehicle

426
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that's moving through water on our

427
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that's the language we have today but he

428
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knows maybe it's something completely

429
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different that we do not have any

430
00:15:28,150 --> 00:15:25,600
language for right now

431
00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:28,160
it's you know it's very exciting and

432
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interesting times and

433
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i think i'd like to think five years ten

434
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years down the line from now on we'll

435
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all be more enlightened

436
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and at the very least the mainstream

437
00:15:42,710 --> 00:15:40,959
media will not be making a laugh on a

438
00:15:45,189 --> 00:15:42,720
laugh and a joke with the people that

439
00:15:47,030 --> 00:15:45,199
have been affected by it

440
00:15:48,790 --> 00:15:47,040
absolutely jonathan listen great call

441
00:15:50,230 --> 00:15:48,800
great points and i'm with you on that

442
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five years time where are we going to be

443
00:15:53,670 --> 00:15:52,079
in this so we'll wrap up there and we'll

444
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move on to the next call but uh good to

445
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hear from you and thank you

446
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okay

447
00:16:00,069 --> 00:15:58,160
william thank you

448
00:16:01,910 --> 00:16:00,079
we are going to move over from northern

449
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ireland all the way to idaho in the

450
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united states and we've got sloane

451
00:16:07,910 --> 00:16:05,839
joining us sloan how we doing today

452
00:16:09,910 --> 00:16:07,920
i'm doing well how about yourself andy i

453
00:16:11,189 --> 00:16:09,920
am good thanks very much for calling in

454
00:16:12,949 --> 00:16:11,199
listen the floor is yours what do you

455
00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:12,959
want to talk about

456
00:16:20,230 --> 00:16:17,120
recent sighting that i had and i thought

457
00:16:21,670 --> 00:16:20,240
i'd be crazy uh but my wife and my 10

458
00:16:24,230 --> 00:16:21,680
year old son actually saw it as well

459
00:16:25,030 --> 00:16:24,240
which is kind of interesting so

460
00:16:26,230 --> 00:16:25,040
um

461
00:16:28,310 --> 00:16:26,240
we were

462
00:16:30,949 --> 00:16:28,320
actually traveling back north from salt

463
00:16:32,949 --> 00:16:30,959
lake city utah up to pocatello idaho and

464
00:16:34,870 --> 00:16:32,959
uh as we were traveling up there we got

465
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north of salt lake and south of hill air

466
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force base and there's a whole mountain

467
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range along the highway that you're

468
00:16:43,910 --> 00:16:41,600
driving by and on the mountain range

469
00:16:45,269 --> 00:16:43,920
there's this little like white dome at

470
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the top and i thought it was an

471
00:16:48,949 --> 00:16:46,639
observatory and i was like who would put

472
00:16:51,430 --> 00:16:48,959
an observatory out the middle of nowhere

473
00:16:53,189 --> 00:16:51,440
um and like there was no roads leading

474
00:16:55,829 --> 00:16:53,199
up to it or anything like that

475
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and so um while i was looking at at the

476
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time we didn't know what that was i just

477
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assumed it was an observatory but while

478
00:17:03,030 --> 00:17:01,279
i was looking at it i saw like a white

479
00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:03,040
disc shaped object

480
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south of where that was

481
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and uh

482
00:17:11,350 --> 00:17:08,720
i just jokingly because my wife knows

483
00:17:12,789 --> 00:17:11,360
that i'm actually like into the ufo

484
00:17:15,029 --> 00:17:12,799
things that i've been listening to ufo

485
00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:15,039
that ufo podcast and everything and i

486
00:17:17,429 --> 00:17:16,079
was like wouldn't that be funny if that

487
00:17:19,189 --> 00:17:17,439
was a ufo

488
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and as i said that it went from like

489
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bright and started dimming

490
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and then

491
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it went really bright again like really

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quickly

493
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and i was like oh my gosh that might

494
00:17:30,789 --> 00:17:29,679
actually be a ufo um

495
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and she was like what are you talking

496
00:17:34,150 --> 00:17:32,880
about and so i described to her where

497
00:17:36,549 --> 00:17:34,160
she could see it because there was like

498
00:17:38,310 --> 00:17:36,559
mostly like dirt but there were some

499
00:17:40,390 --> 00:17:38,320
rock formations and it was just kind of

500
00:17:42,470 --> 00:17:40,400
above the rock formations

501
00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:42,480
and then she saw it she was like oh my

502
00:17:45,990 --> 00:17:44,320
gosh i see it i was like yeah and then

503
00:17:47,430 --> 00:17:46,000
she saw it actually dim and she's like

504
00:17:49,270 --> 00:17:47,440
it's dimming and i was like yep and then

505
00:17:50,789 --> 00:17:49,280
she's like and then it flashed back and

506
00:17:52,950 --> 00:17:50,799
she was driving so i couldn't she

507
00:17:53,909 --> 00:17:52,960
couldn't like watch it the whole time

508
00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:53,919
um

509
00:17:58,230 --> 00:17:56,240
and then the really cool thing happened

510
00:18:00,470 --> 00:17:58,240
when she looked back at the road

511
00:18:02,150 --> 00:18:00,480
i saw it go from like

512
00:18:04,549 --> 00:18:02,160
kind of like the the whole star trek

513
00:18:07,350 --> 00:18:04,559
movies when they go into like warp speed

514
00:18:09,590 --> 00:18:07,360
it um stretched into a long like from a

515
00:18:10,390 --> 00:18:09,600
little disc shape to a long line and

516
00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:10,400
then

517
00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:12,400
like that just disappeared

518
00:18:17,029 --> 00:18:14,799
um and it was going south so opposite of

519
00:18:19,669 --> 00:18:17,039
where the the radar what i found out

520
00:18:21,909 --> 00:18:19,679
later was a radar station was

521
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um and then

522
00:18:25,830 --> 00:18:23,840
like in two or three seconds all of a

523
00:18:27,430 --> 00:18:25,840
sudden it did the same like opposite so

524
00:18:29,270 --> 00:18:27,440
a line came and then all sudden it was

525
00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:29,280
back and it was a disc shape again just

526
00:18:32,950 --> 00:18:31,360
a tiny little like disc shape

527
00:18:34,470 --> 00:18:32,960
and i was like holy crap i just zipped

528
00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:34,480
away and zipped back

529
00:18:37,430 --> 00:18:35,679
and um

530
00:18:38,870 --> 00:18:37,440
while i was saying that my my 10 year

531
00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:38,880
old was like where is it where is it so

532
00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:41,039
i described to him and at this point

533
00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:42,640
after it zipped back it started like

534
00:18:47,029 --> 00:18:45,120
flying around the the

535
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what we thought was an observatory like

536
00:18:50,870 --> 00:18:48,880
in circles around it

537
00:18:52,470 --> 00:18:50,880
and he's like oh is it flying around and

538
00:18:53,830 --> 00:18:52,480
i was like yeah that's what it is it's

539
00:18:55,110 --> 00:18:53,840
the thing's flying around he's like oh i

540
00:18:56,789 --> 00:18:55,120
see it i see it

541
00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:56,799
and then the very last thing i saw

542
00:19:01,590 --> 00:18:59,200
before it like disappeared completely

543
00:19:02,630 --> 00:19:01,600
was it went from like a horizontal

544
00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:02,640
position

545
00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:05,520
it flipped to vertical and then again

546
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:08,000
just disappeared like that

547
00:19:11,990 --> 00:19:10,000
i found out later that's actually called

548
00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:12,000
francis peak it's south of hill air

549
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:14,320
force base and it's one of the us's

550
00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:16,320
strategic radar

551
00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:19,200
um stations that actually has a radar

552
00:19:23,190 --> 00:19:21,919
radius of like 500 miles and 500 miles

553
00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:23,200
in any direction

554
00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:25,120
and basically sends out magnetic waves

555
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:27,679
to do radar and stuff and it's like um

556
00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:28,799
anyway

557
00:19:33,029 --> 00:19:31,440
uh i didn't know who to tell and i i

558
00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:33,039
thought i'd be crazy but the fact my

559
00:19:38,150 --> 00:19:35,120
wife and ten-year-old saw it i was like

560
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:38,160
well that's that's crazy like i and my

561
00:19:41,110 --> 00:19:39,679
wife was like don't tell anybody at work

562
00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:41,120
because they're gonna think you're nuts

563
00:19:44,549 --> 00:19:43,120
um and so

564
00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:44,559
i i haven't really been able to tell

565
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:46,160
anybody but i thought it was really

566
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:48,240
interesting uh and something i've never

567
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:49,919
seen in my life so

568
00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:51,760
no yeah thanks for sharing that is there

569
00:19:55,510 --> 00:19:53,679
anything in the area that any rumors

570
00:19:56,789 --> 00:19:55,520
anything nuclear or anything like that

571
00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:56,799
or is it just the radar that you're

572
00:19:59,350 --> 00:19:58,240
aware of

573
00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:59,360
well

574
00:20:02,390 --> 00:20:00,480
like i said i thought it was an

575
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:02,400
observatory my wife ended up looking it

576
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:04,320
up after we got home and found out it

577
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:06,720
was a radar station but it is south of

578
00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:09,760
hill air force base and i know they have

579
00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:12,159
like the what is it the proving grounds

580
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:13,760
in southern utah

581
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:16,640
and it's actually just due west of

582
00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:18,480
skinwalker ranch interesting

583
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:20,240
i was going to ask you how far away from

584
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:23,039
there yeah about 40 miles west i think

585
00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:25,919
of due west of of skinwalker actually

586
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:27,520
interestingly enough

587
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:29,440
and did your wife and obviously get

588
00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:30,960
there if you're a 10 year old as well

589
00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:32,960
did they when they saw it were they

590
00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:35,520
observing the same thing

591
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:37,600
yeah so it was all you could see was

592
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:40,320
this little disc shape and it was i mean

593
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:42,240
it looked white but it was

594
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:43,679
it could have been like silver

595
00:20:47,669 --> 00:20:45,520
reflecting the sunlight it was like 4 30

596
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:47,679
in the afternoon uh it wasn't getting

597
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:49,840
that dark yet because because it wasn't

598
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:51,679
like it was like a month goes like early

599
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:52,880
september

600
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:55,360
and um so it was the the sun hadn't set

601
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:56,159
yet

602
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:57,120
um

603
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:58,559
like i said my son was the one who

604
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:00,400
described it that it was going around

605
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:02,480
the radar dish or what we thought was

606
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:03,840
the observatory's like oh it's flying

607
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:05,919
around the observatory and i was like

608
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:06,720
yeah

609
00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:07,520
um

610
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:09,520
so we all saw the same thing my wife did

611
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:12,400
see it brighten and then dim

612
00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:14,559
right so it was like got really bright

613
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:15,760
and then it would start to dim and it

614
00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:17,760
would flash really bright again

615
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,880
um

616
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:20,080
but yeah

617
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:21,679
the only thing that i saw that they

618
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:23,280
didn't was it zipping away and then

619
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:25,919
zipping back but i wasn't driving i was

620
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:27,600
in the passenger seat and i was keeping

621
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:29,679
an eye out the whole time but the only

622
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:30,720
reason we were looking up there is

623
00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:31,919
because of that whole

624
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:34,159
like radar tower it's just so out of

625
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:35,440
place as you're driving along the

626
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:36,400
freeway

627
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:38,400
and was there no inclination to grab

628
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:41,280
your camera phone or a camera and i i

629
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:43,520
did i tried but i didn't capture

630
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:44,880
anything but it's kind of like you know

631
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,799
when you take a picture of the moon

632
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:48,240
um

633
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:50,159
you know it looks amazing when you see

634
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:51,600
it in real life

635
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:53,280
absolutely it's not that bad

636
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:55,120
so you could see this tiny little dot

637
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:56,720
but then when i looked at the pictures

638
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:58,480
that i took there was no

639
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:01,280
dot like um

640
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:03,360
on the compared to the radar tire you

641
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:06,400
barely even see the the radar the the

642
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:08,080
observatory looking thing you can barely

643
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:09,919
even see it but in real life

644
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:11,840
i could see it really well so it's like

645
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,000
it wasn't as

646
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:16,320
yeah i i tried that there was nothing

647
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:17,679
slow and i can appreciate that anyway

648
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:19,280
because like i say when i when i saw the

649
00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:21,120
triangle object like a couple of years

650
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:21,919
ago

651
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,520
i was driving and it was just me in the

652
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:25,440
car so i couldn't necessarily just grab

653
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:27,280
my phone and film

654
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:29,039
even if i did though you wouldn't have

655
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:30,480
seen anything because it was such a

656
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:32,480
black sky i don't think you would even

657
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:33,919
have picked up the two points of light

658
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:36,159
because with my eye it was really clear

659
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:37,679
and like you say when you see the moon

660
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:39,039
and you think oh wow that would look

661
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,720
great on a picture and you take a

662
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:42,480
picture and it's this blurry white

663
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:43,679
little circle

664
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:46,000
ah that's even when you zoom it's not

665
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:48,080
the same and so yeah i can totally

666
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:51,520
appreciate that um

667
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:53,039
like do you get a feeling and like i

668
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:55,120
have sometimes with these things of if

669
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:56,559
it was something else is it something

670
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,760
that we're messing about with

671
00:23:01,990 --> 00:22:59,520
technologically or

672
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,000
well so that's the thing is i don't know

673
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:04,080
what it was like whether it was you know

674
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:05,679
something out of this world or you know

675
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:07,520
it was just south of an air force base

676
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,880
maybe it was some sort of testing they

677
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:10,640
were doing to see what the radar could

678
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:12,400
pick up or something like that

679
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:13,760
um

680
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,919
that that could definitely be the case

681
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:17,919
especially since the hill air so it was

682
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:19,760
north of salt lake and south of hill air

683
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:22,159
force base is where it is it's like a 20

684
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:24,720
or 30 mile stretch and we were sought

685
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:28,080
for maybe five miles going about 60 70

686
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:29,760
miles an hour something like that so

687
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:31,760
about five minutes you know somewhere in

688
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:33,440
there um

689
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:34,240
but

690
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:36,000
maybe they they could be testing

691
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:38,080
something maybe it was testing what the

692
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:40,320
radar could see yeah my wife was

693
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:41,440
intrigued because she was like well if

694
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:42,799
we find out what that is maybe that will

695
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:44,400
describe kind of what we were seeing

696
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:45,279
because she was trying to be very

697
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:46,720
logical about it because

698
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,039
uh again she indulges me

699
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:51,840
like you know going into this but not

700
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:55,120
very much uh right and so um she's like

701
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,480
maybe this will actually answer the

702
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,640
questions for us but then she found out

703
00:24:01,909 --> 00:24:00,960
that it sends magnetic pulses and she's

704
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,919
like do you think that maybe the

705
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:03,679
magnetic pulses were causing it to

706
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,440
brighten as soon as it sent it out and

707
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:07,760
then slowly dim afterwards i was like

708
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:09,440
maybe i have no idea

709
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:10,640
um

710
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:12,880
but but yeah there it's south of hill

711
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,080
air force base so there's an air force

712
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:16,320
base right there it's

713
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:18,640
in close proximity relatively to

714
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:21,679
skinwalker ranch it's close to the

715
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,360
dungway proving grounds is that what it

716
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:25,679
is down in southern ut yeah yeah i know

717
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:26,799
you mean yet

718
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:28,960
yeah so i mean it could be something

719
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:31,520
they were testing out but but again i

720
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:33,440
it was more just like i said it as a

721
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:35,279
joke and then all of a sudden it was

722
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:36,960
like it kind of set in and we were both

723
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:39,039
just kind of like what what was that for

724
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:40,720
the next like half hour or 45 minutes

725
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,159
and i was like am i crazy she's like no

726
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,320
i saw it too and my 10 year old was like

727
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:46,799
i saw it too right so he was he was

728
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:48,799
excited because he'll sometimes stay up

729
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:51,200
and watch you know those things with me

730
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:53,840
and and listen to podcasts and stuff so

731
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,320
but but yeah i have no idea

732
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:58,000
but hopefully at least maybe not your

733
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:59,360
wife but your kid gets more of an

734
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:01,279
interest in the subject after that and

735
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:02,799
kind of carries it on forward that would

736
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:04,640
be pretty cool i would love to hear from

737
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:05,919
any other listeners who may be in the

738
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:08,400
same area around the same sort of base

739
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:10,240
have maybe seen something similar or

740
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:11,360
something if it's been completely

741
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:12,559
different but that would be really cool

742
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:14,559
to hear as well sloan we'll have to go

743
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:15,520
from there just because we're running

744
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:17,200
out of time but awesome speaking with

745
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:18,559
you thanks for staying up so late to

746
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,840
call in as well

747
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:21,279
no worries thank you so much andy for

748
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:23,039
all you do keep it up man thank you and

749
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:24,240
make sure you call on again next time

750
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:25,360
okay man

751
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:26,880
yes sir

752
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:29,360
we are moving over from idaho to north

753
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:31,679
carolina and we've got dustin dustin how

754
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:32,880
are we today

755
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:34,799
we're good thank you awesome good to

756
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:36,400
have you on dustin we've got dan joining

757
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,720
us now for those who are tuning in

758
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:40,799
to part two of the listener calling dan

759
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,240
wasn't around for the early ones but

760
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:44,240
here we are it's the evening and hands

761
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,360
out his bed

762
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:47,279
yeah i jump in and out the morning ones

763
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:48,799
i'm not present for but the evening ones

764
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:50,720
i'm wide-eyed absolutely just to ruin

765
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:52,320
the continuity of people who think this

766
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,799
is a straight across the board calling

767
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:56,640
but dustin this is all about you the

768
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:58,080
floor is yours what you want to talk

769
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:59,200
about

770
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:01,760
okay thank you um i wanted to speak um

771
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:02,799
because

772
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:04,799
like my wife and a lot of my family they

773
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:06,960
do not have an interest in the uap

774
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,279
phenomenon or the related you know and i

775
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:11,600
share information and you know facts and

776
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:13,120
kind of go over things from time to time

777
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:15,919
but it's just kind of met with a uh awe

778
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:16,880
struck

779
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:18,960
who cares it's not impacting my daily

780
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:19,919
life

781
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:20,799
and

782
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:23,840
um another thing is like my children

783
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:25,360
we've been able fortunate to send them

784
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:26,720
to a private school

785
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:28,000
and it's you know it's a christian

786
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,000
school and i just

787
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:32,400
i have sort of a conflict on how do you

788
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:33,760
talk to your children about this because

789
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:36,080
they love sci-fi movies and and you you

790
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:38,799
know you show on some things from

791
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:40,480
articles that you read or videos with

792
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:43,039
the phenomenon and i just

793
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:45,039
i don't know if there's a good way or

794
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:46,799
how you go about speaking to your

795
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:49,200
spouses or your children in everyday

796
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:52,080
life with the phenomenon because for me

797
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:55,039
it's impacted me my entire life it's

798
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:56,960
sort of an obsession but it's more of a

799
00:27:02,230 --> 00:26:59,039
passion just something you know i have

800
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:02,240
to immerse myself in and i just don't

801
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:03,679
know exactly how to do that and i didn't

802
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:05,440
know if you andy with you know you

803
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:07,039
having children um

804
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:08,480
how do you go about talking to your kids

805
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:11,120
about something that's extremely serious

806
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,159
yeah so i suppose my kids are like five

807
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:16,559
and three and the six month old

808
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:18,080
doesn't really matter yet because he's

809
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:20,080
too young but um the five-year-old and

810
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:22,000
the three-year-old like i've always

811
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:24,640
talked about ufos and aliens like my

812
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:26,399
wife gets a little bit annoyed at me and

813
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,039
i get into trouble because my my son and

814
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:31,679
the school he goes to they um they they

815
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:33,279
will tell them about god and various

816
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:34,799
different religions and all that kind of

817
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:37,039
stuff at an early age and he'll come

818
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:39,120
home and again he'll say daddy you know

819
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:41,440
god created the world in seven days

820
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:43,600
and i'll say yeah that's one theory

821
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:45,039
and you know there's there's

822
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:46,320
conversations you should and shouldn't

823
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:48,480
have with a five-year-old but i just i

824
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:50,000
tend to go well what what if it was

825
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:51,600
aliens or what if it was something else

826
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,679
and it is just that what if you know

827
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:55,440
keep the options open i don't think at

828
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:57,120
any age not to tell people how to raise

829
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,640
their children that they need to be

830
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:00,720
pressured into what they should believe

831
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:02,799
because right now none of us know

832
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:04,480
exactly you know there's there's

833
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:06,320
scientific way the religious way and

834
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,320
everything in between but

835
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:10,480
i i've always talked to the kids about

836
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:12,399
ufos and aliens they know daddy has a

837
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:14,960
podcast uh they know i talk about aliens

838
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:17,600
on the podcast um and i've kind of

839
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:18,880
bought them little books there's a

840
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:21,520
there's an x-files book which is mulder

841
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,360
and scully as children

842
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:24,960
and it's a little scooby-doo-ish but

843
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:27,679
it's an x-files story for kids so i

844
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,399
bought them that um very young so they

845
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,640
have i read that to them some nights and

846
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:34,480
they've got a copy of chase klitsky's

847
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:36,880
book which she wrote about again are

848
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,799
aliens really real and again it just

849
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:40,640
introduces the concept of what aliens

850
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:41,840
might be

851
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:43,840
at a very early age to have that

852
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,279
discussion so

853
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:47,760
it's definitely as they get older maybe

854
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:49,039
a more difficult one because they're

855
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:50,320
going to make their own choices and

856
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,720
decisions but i suppose kids now have a

857
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:55,200
huge access dustin to social media and

858
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:57,039
youtube and stuff we never kind of had

859
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:58,399
when we were younger

860
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,279
um and in terms of my wife she i'm lucky

861
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:02,960
she's really supportive in terms of the

862
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:04,720
podcast it takes up a lot of my time

863
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:07,600
which i've gone on about enough um but

864
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:09,440
she is really good with with that like

865
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:11,919
she is doing bedtimes right now as i am

866
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:14,080
recording this call with you um and that

867
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:15,679
usually happens with interviews or

868
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:17,279
editing or anything else that i have to

869
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:19,279
put together um or just dan and i

870
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:22,000
catching up to research but just having

871
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,559
the ufo conversation

872
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,559
i i've asked her and when we have that

873
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,399
chat and she sees how passionate i get

874
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,480
and i get really involved and what about

875
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:33,120
this and did you see this happened and

876
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:34,480
she'll she'll

877
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:37,200
play along and she'll nod and agree but

878
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:38,720
when it comes to me saying you don't

879
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:40,640
really seem to to care or get excited

880
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:42,960
about it she says it doesn't because

881
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:44,960
it doesn't if she says it doesn't impact

882
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:47,919
her everyday life and for her and for 99

883
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:50,159
in the population that's that's it that

884
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:52,159
doesn't impact their everyday life right

885
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:54,559
now to to know about this or what what's

886
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:57,039
going on or what might be going on and i

887
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:58,720
i can understand and appreciate that

888
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:01,360
side of it does if that makes sense

889
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,960
it makes perfect sense you know you

890
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:04,799
wonder what's the difference in you and

891
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:06,320
me and them

892
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:07,919
why does it impact us the way it does

893
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,520
and now others when you know clearly

894
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:12,960
there is something unexplainable

895
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,679
happening it's not a and if it is it's

896
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:17,600
it's it's a truth we're just trying to

897
00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:19,279
find out what it is

898
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,919
so i just find it you know intriguing

899
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:23,360
but um

900
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:24,559
that's just the thought i've been having

901
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:25,840
for a long time

902
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:27,520
i think there's also something to the

903
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:29,679
idea again we've mentioned my own

904
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:31,600
sighting when i was a kid and there was

905
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:33,840
four other people there now my mum saw

906
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,080
that as well huge big disc on its side

907
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,480
spinning around and still has no

908
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:40,320
interest in the subject doesn't believe

909
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:42,799
in aliens ufos or anything like that

910
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,559
even though she saw something pretty

911
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,720
incredible pretty close up that she

912
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:48,080
can't explain

913
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:50,320
i think it's just again how some people

914
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,880
are are wired and if they choose to i

915
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:54,559
mean if you're listening or watching

916
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:56,799
this podcast just now then you have an

917
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:58,240
impressed at least in the subject that

918
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:00,000
you're you're willing to entertain the

919
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:02,159
conversation to a degree and i just

920
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:03,600
think there's still so many people out

921
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,440
there for a whole load of different

922
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:07,360
reasons that just aren't ready to do

923
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,960
that yet

924
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:10,559
yeah you're right um

925
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:12,559
well that goes back to my upbringing and

926
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:15,279
like evangelical uh christian upbringing

927
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:17,360
you know a lot of people believe in

928
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:19,279
things that they're tall and they have

929
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:21,840
feelings you know when the holy spirit's

930
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:23,440
moving and you know you get people

931
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:25,840
together they can create i guess

932
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:27,919
you would call it a mass hysteria

933
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:29,840
perhaps but it's that

934
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:31,360
along the same lines where a lot of

935
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:33,120
people together can be on the same fault

936
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,519
and they can create the feeling where

937
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:37,519
everybody

938
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,840
feels and sees the same sort of thing i

939
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:41,279
call it mass hysteria it may have

940
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,640
another name but

941
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,640
you know people can witness

942
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,640
events you know people talking in

943
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:48,240
tongues and things like that which i've

944
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,840
witnessed but we have no problem

945
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:51,840
believing that because we accept that's

946
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:54,480
from god but like you said your mom

947
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:57,519
if she's seen a literal craft flying and

948
00:32:01,909 --> 00:32:00,000
that doesn't change your belief you know

949
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:01,919
that's just strange

950
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,240
and yeah and to be fair i'll be really

951
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:06,240
honest before i started this podcast and

952
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,000
spoke to all the people i have now and

953
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:10,080
that's not just guests but listeners

954
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:11,600
from around the world and people on

955
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:13,279
twitter and instagram and facebook and

956
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:14,640
all that kind of stuff

957
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,120
i always thought that people's religious

958
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:19,519
views would be the block to them

959
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:21,279
believing in the subject

960
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:23,120
what i've found is probably the opposite

961
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:25,679
that it's people with religious beliefs

962
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,679
that actually have the most open minds

963
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:29,760
to this subject which i find really

964
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:31,279
really interesting and it's really nice

965
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:32,880
actually as well

966
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,799
yeah i'll leave you on one more thought

967
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:36,720
here um this is the last thing i want to

968
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:40,399
say my grandmother she is a um

969
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:42,799
i don't say it like that but she's very

970
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:44,880
strict i guess religious very very

971
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:47,760
old-fashioned the way was brought up um

972
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,279
you know she believed everything's from

973
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:51,840
god which you know i guess

974
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:53,919
however you picture god is true

975
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:56,480
and to some aspect but she told me as a

976
00:33:00,950 --> 00:33:00,000
child um about a an event just because i

977
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:00,960
was talking to her about

978
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:02,480
extraterrestrial or something when i was

979
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:04,799
a kid she said oh yeah we've seen a a

980
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,200
ufo uh come over our house we had the

981
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:08,960
pastor over and you know she had like

982
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:11,679
five kids and they all was screaming

983
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:13,760
outside and they come outside and they

984
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,399
looked up and she said it was a circular

985
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:18,559
craft she could see windows in it and it

986
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:21,600
was spinning with lights made no sound

987
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:23,600
and she said she thought you know that

988
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:26,480
was uh an angel coming to take them away

989
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,399
she thought that was their time to go to

990
00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:31,200
heaven and is zipped off and people

991
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,279
around the town seen it but

992
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:35,760
you know that was one event

993
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:38,240
and you know she associates that with an

994
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:40,000
angel and i just you know i can't see

995
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:41,200
that i've seen

996
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:42,399
um

997
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,480
dan's twitter image of that angel with

998
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:46,320
that you know will i i don't know if she

999
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:48,159
associated it with that

1000
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:51,440
but um i just found that kind of odd

1001
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:54,080
yeah absolutely um the the

1002
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:55,840
discussion of language and words and

1003
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:57,440
what we mean by them is something i

1004
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:58,640
speak about often because you're

1005
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:00,640
absolutely right what what is a ufo to

1006
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,279
one person is an angel or a visitation

1007
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:05,519
from a demon to the next and and i

1008
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:08,320
almost feel like we

1009
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:10,159
you know we spend a lot of time arguing

1010
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,919
over what the right term is and i almost

1011
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:13,919
feel like we don't have the right

1012
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,560
language yet um and and figuring out the

1013
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,480
phenomena will kind of

1014
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:20,639
give us these new terms that we we will

1015
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:22,480
be using to discuss

1016
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:23,440
you know

1017
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:25,760
yeah it's amazing how many people can

1018
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:27,760
see the same thing and all have

1019
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:28,960
different descriptions and

1020
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:31,280
interpretations of what they seem

1021
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:33,839
yeah absolutely you know just like uh

1022
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,000
all the famous scientists say everything

1023
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:38,399
is relative and we don't really

1024
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:40,960
grok how fundamental that relativity is

1025
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,149
well that was good um and one last thing

1026
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:48,480
i want to ask you a question andy in in

1027
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:50,720
your opinion for the last thing what is

1028
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:53,280
your opinion if you believe mankind has

1029
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:56,159
a destiny of uh perhaps a convergence

1030
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,950
i i don't think

1031
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:04,800
if you mean as it's set in stone that

1032
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:07,040
it's something is going to happen then

1033
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:10,240
then no i don't think so um

1034
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:11,359
i think

1035
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:13,839
we're we go along and it's it's funny

1036
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:15,440
myself and dan have just spoke about the

1037
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:17,200
the atenos movie that's out in cinema

1038
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:18,640
just now and some of the themes that

1039
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:20,079
went alongside that

1040
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:20,960
and

1041
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:23,440
i think the idea that as a civilization

1042
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:24,240
we

1043
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:28,400
stages and it's almost like you you

1044
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,320
level up and you get to a point of do

1045
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:32,320
you get to move on from where you are

1046
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:33,920
and usually technology plays the big

1047
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:35,760
part in that and we're at the point now

1048
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,599
where as a civilization we're we're

1049
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:39,680
probably due or in the middle of a

1050
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:41,599
technological kind of leap

1051
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:42,480
and

1052
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:44,000
do you end up destroying yourself before

1053
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,200
you do that

1054
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,680
and i think this should probably be one

1055
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,680
of the last stages for that to happen

1056
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:51,440
before we do get involved with some

1057
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,240
other

1058
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:54,720
civilization or beings or entities

1059
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:56,800
um it's a massive question dustin

1060
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:59,040
because i think i think for me i have to

1061
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:00,720
look at it as

1062
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,920
if we share this space or planet or

1063
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:05,680
reality with another

1064
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:08,560
being or set of beings or entity then

1065
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:09,920
they have an interest in what we are

1066
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:11,200
doing with the planet whether you want

1067
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:13,280
to look at things like climate change or

1068
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:15,440
or nuclear weapons that we're storing

1069
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:17,200
and making and how we're using that

1070
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:19,040
technology then they've got a vested

1071
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,960
interest in how we're going about things

1072
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:22,560
that probably doesn't look good from

1073
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:24,000
that point of view

1074
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:25,920
i think that's why we've got so many

1075
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:28,560
sightings around you know nuclear fleets

1076
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,240
nuclear silos

1077
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:32,400
any nuclear material nuclear you know

1078
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:35,040
nuclear waste all that kind of stuff so

1079
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:36,320
um

1080
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:37,520
i don't think it's something that's

1081
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:39,839
necessarily definitely meant to be are

1082
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:41,119
meant to happen

1083
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:42,800
but i think we're in charge of our own

1084
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:44,560
destiny in terms of

1085
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:46,160
how we behave is going to make a big

1086
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:47,280
impact on

1087
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:49,359
on if we get into that i'll put in

1088
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:50,800
massive air quotes your galactic

1089
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:52,960
federation down the line

1090
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:56,160
right yeah that's good um

1091
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:58,960
i'm along those same lines as well um i

1092
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:00,000
just

1093
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:04,320
recently it seems like it's culminating

1094
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,240
like a snowball and

1095
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,400
there has to be something i would assume

1096
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,320
that would be big that's just around the

1097
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:12,160
corner you know what that is i don't

1098
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:13,200
know but

1099
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:15,760
with the uh

1100
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:17,920
the uh scientific investigations into

1101
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:19,680
the quantum and everything like that

1102
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:21,680
that goes along with that i think we're

1103
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:23,920
going to discover something um

1104
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:26,160
very soon that's just going to blow

1105
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,160
everything that we believed and knew

1106
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:30,160
scientifically before

1107
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:32,079
um and philosophically just out of the

1108
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:33,119
water

1109
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:35,119
well dustin really good call man i hope

1110
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:36,640
you call in again we're going to move on

1111
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:38,320
to michael now but thank you very much

1112
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:39,920
it's been good talking to you

1113
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:41,200
thank you keep up the good work thank

1114
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:43,040
you thank you

1115
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:44,400
see you

1116
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:45,760
thanks for that call dustin really

1117
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:47,200
interesting we're going to move on to

1118
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:50,320
michael and liverpool michael how are we

1119
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:52,079
yeah not bad sorry

1120
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:54,320
no bro good to have you on the podcast

1121
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,520
i've got dan with his as well did

1122
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:57,440
michael just steal my catchphrase i'm

1123
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:58,960
sorry

1124
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:00,800
i was going to say yeah he's done that

1125
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:03,440
deliberately i think um listen the floor

1126
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:04,560
is yours what you want to talk about

1127
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:05,599
michael

1128
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:06,880
yeah um

1129
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,560
what i want to talk about was some of

1130
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:10,800
the the promises or

1131
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:12,400
the expectation of like new things

1132
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:14,079
coming out and then eventually they're

1133
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:17,119
not getting there so i think initially

1134
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:18,720
uh jeremy corbell

1135
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:20,880
he when he released the last date he

1136
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:23,040
said there's plenty more to come and

1137
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:24,560
he's got extra but we haven't seen

1138
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:26,880
anything since and i know he did some

1139
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,359
stuff with the book the skinwalkers

1140
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:31,280
at the pentagon he was i don't know

1141
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:33,040
promoting that but he hasn't come out

1142
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:34,800
with anything of himself that i've seen

1143
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,800
anyway so i just wanted to know like

1144
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:38,160
what you thought about that do you think

1145
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:39,839
he's holding on to more stuff still do

1146
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:41,280
you think he's hyped

1147
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:43,040
all that you can

1148
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:46,960
i think before i bring dannon um so i i

1149
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:48,560
don't know i would say it's one of two

1150
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,359
things either he is working on some

1151
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:53,280
stuff in the background and

1152
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:55,680
jeremy corbell he likes the

1153
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:57,520
he likes the showmanship he likes the

1154
00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:59,119
hollywood the drama he likes the

1155
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:01,599
suspense building these things up

1156
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:03,920
and i could see

1157
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,240
him if he is working on something it's

1158
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:08,240
going to be big and it will be you know

1159
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,560
all kind of bells and whistles attached

1160
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:12,000
or

1161
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,720
how he handled things last time may have

1162
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:16,400
burnt some bridges in terms of how he

1163
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:18,480
was getting material and data

1164
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:21,280
because when you see stuff come out

1165
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:24,640
uh i i look to certain individuals

1166
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:26,800
to see if they also corroborate or back

1167
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:29,520
up or comment on it and when his stuff

1168
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,359
came out last time

1169
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:33,520
not many people stuck up for the the

1170
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:36,079
quality of the footage or the data

1171
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:38,560
and you wonder if a lot of people have

1172
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:40,960
just kind of taken a backwards seat when

1173
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:43,520
it comes to jeremy corbell's

1174
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:46,240
presentation um of that kind of stuff

1175
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,320
you know i i think at times jenny's

1176
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:50,000
heart's in the right place

1177
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,160
i think i i really do feel i've said

1178
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:54,240
this before and i would have no problem

1179
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:56,079
saying this to jeremy i feel he would

1180
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:57,839
like to be the face of the subject for

1181
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:59,920
the tmz generation

1182
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:01,760
i think he was hoping things might have

1183
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:03,920
taken off more when we had the j.j

1184
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:06,319
abrams ufo documentaries

1185
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:07,920
and he dropped

1186
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:10,240
the russell omaha footage and all that

1187
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:12,240
kind of stuff and i just don't think it

1188
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:14,079
happened for him and i think that's the

1189
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:16,240
root he would want to go with this not

1190
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:18,319
the traditional names and faces and

1191
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:20,960
expos and conferences to to make the

1192
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:23,520
make his way but i think he absolutely

1193
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:25,760
still has a role to play in this subject

1194
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:27,680
i get why a lot of people don't like how

1195
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:29,040
he goes about

1196
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,319
what he does

1197
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:32,480
um i've said before like i really enjoy

1198
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:35,520
the content of his his documentaries

1199
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:37,680
some of the the artistic license used

1200
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:38,720
within them

1201
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:41,680
isn't my taste particularly but

1202
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,920
i still like watching it so dan but what

1203
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,599
about you

1204
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,680
yeah i mean i i again i don't this i

1205
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:49,200
always say this it's kind of become my

1206
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:51,200
catchphrase i agree with andy we do

1207
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:52,720
disagree sometimes

1208
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:53,760
um

1209
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:55,520
but yeah the the kobold stuff i would

1210
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:57,520
agree with you the the only thing i'd

1211
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:59,040
add is that

1212
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:00,640
he made the point that when

1213
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:03,200
he dropped those bits of omaha and

1214
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:04,240
footage

1215
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:06,079
that it was for a particular reason it

1216
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:09,200
was functional and that was to repair a

1217
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:10,560
[Music]

1218
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:12,000
kind of a channel

1219
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:15,119
um between where those snoopy team

1220
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:16,720
videos would go

1221
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:20,720
and the main hub for the uaptf from from

1222
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:23,280
what i gather that line of communication

1223
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,520
was broken and by bringing out those

1224
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:27,520
videos he was able to say look these are

1225
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:29,040
interesting things here you guys need to

1226
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,760
be paying attention to this area too

1227
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:33,440
i feel like he might have repaired that

1228
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:35,520
line of communication and so we are no

1229
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:37,359
longer seeing anything come outside of

1230
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:41,920
it um to try and highlight that fault um

1231
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:43,839
naf was pretty quiet for a while and he

1232
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:46,240
wrote the skin walker book uh with

1233
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:49,440
um lakatsky and kalahar so

1234
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:50,720
i i would

1235
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:52,720
imagine that jeremy's a bit of a

1236
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:55,280
creative um you know 10 projects one

1237
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,839
comes off so he's probably going through

1238
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:59,760
those nine other projects right now with

1239
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:01,280
the one that he doesn't know is his next

1240
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:05,119
project currently in formation

1241
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:06,480
michael anyone else that you want to

1242
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:08,319
bring up as well as jenny corbell yeah i

1243
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:10,800
was going to mention angeli and

1244
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:12,880
charlie i think that's how you say yeah

1245
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:26,150
yeah

1246
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:28,240
so i know that's been postponed

1247
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:29,440
and then she

1248
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:30,800
caught some sticker i think she made an

1249
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:33,119
appearance that i haven't watched myself

1250
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:34,560
but i saw some people sticking up before

1251
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:35,680
and some people

1252
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:38,319
and no so just yeah i don't know

1253
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:40,000
what i feel on that i think it might be

1254
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,119
a little bit of

1255
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:43,440
larping but i don't know it's hard to i

1256
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:44,800
don't want to

1257
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:47,200
judge someone um you know that i don't

1258
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,440
know and haven't spoken to but it just

1259
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:52,079
seems a little off for me uh

1260
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:54,319
i don't know maybe because it's um

1261
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:56,720
nuts and bolts type of person i struggle

1262
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:58,720
with some of the more out there concepts

1263
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,319
and that that's maybe a little bit too

1264
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:02,240
out there from for myself

1265
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,760
i mean someone setting up a chair and

1266
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:05,760
proclaiming that they found aliens in a

1267
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:08,160
cave doesn't do it for you like i i

1268
00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:09,839
honestly don't know who she expected to

1269
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:11,920
convince by doing it that way when when

1270
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:14,079
she said press conference i expected a

1271
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:16,800
formal press conference you know um i

1272
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:19,119
watched her appearance on alien addict

1273
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:20,000
um

1274
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:21,520
i say that name to give them credit i

1275
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:24,079
don't recommend anyone go watch it um it

1276
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,160
was a bit of a train wreck it sounds

1277
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:28,800
like um basically the story was that and

1278
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:30,079
anjali

1279
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:33,280
uh met these beings in a cave on someone

1280
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,839
called wayne's property um as of last

1281
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,160
night um i now realized that someone has

1282
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:40,400
approached someone else named ryan and

1283
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:42,720
said hey i am that wayne give me a

1284
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,720
thousand dollars and i will take you to

1285
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:46,319
the cave and it turns out that this guy

1286
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:49,359
might be a con man um so they've kind of

1287
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:50,800
gone into arguing about whether

1288
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:52,480
someone's a con man there's money

1289
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,200
exchanged hands and it's quite frankly a

1290
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,599
[\h__\h] show it's exactly the kind of stuff

1291
00:44:01,349 --> 00:43:59,440
that ufology needs to leave behind and

1292
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:01,359
i'll be glad when we have no more of it

1293
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:02,400
you know

1294
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:04,319
yeah michael back at the start of this

1295
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:05,119
um

1296
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:06,319
i

1297
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:33,040
uh she would love to come on the podcast

1298
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:35,359
and i was very appreciative i told her i

1299
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:37,520
appreciate she's got a family and she's

1300
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:38,480
busy

1301
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:41,359
and i would be as accommodating with

1302
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:43,760
time as i could be let's arrange a date

1303
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:46,480
i heard nothing back a few weeks passed

1304
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:49,119
i then got in touch again nothing

1305
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:50,800
she then eventually told me that yep

1306
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,880
let's let's get some dates sent over i

1307
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:54,640
sent her over basically telling her

1308
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,560
anytime in the next week i will i will

1309
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:58,800
make myself available if it's 5 a.m 4 00

1310
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:01,359
a.m in the uk i'll do it

1311
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:02,800
nothing this was about a month and a

1312
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:04,960
half two months ago um

1313
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:06,880
since then she's done a few appearances

1314
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:09,520
on on random shows i get the jimmy

1315
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:10,960
church one if you're looking for an

1316
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:14,480
audience she's done some other ones that

1317
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,839
somehow

1318
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:17,599
they've managed to get it on

1319
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:18,400
but

1320
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,319
like dan says i'm not going to bash

1321
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:22,240
other people's shows that i don't watch

1322
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:24,480
but when it comes to reputation and just

1323
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:26,000
some of the things you see

1324
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:27,680
they're they're courting likes and

1325
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:31,040
clicks and ratings and views without any

1326
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,119
intent to actually get a quality

1327
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:35,760
interview or some information from her

1328
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:36,880
and

1329
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,839
i think

1330
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:39,839
long before now it should have been left

1331
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:40,800
alone

1332
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:42,960
because it went exactly how many people

1333
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,960
said it would um

1334
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,400
and

1335
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:48,480
i appreciate that maybe something did

1336
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:50,960
happen and we've heard about um i

1337
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:53,200
believe that this wayne character

1338
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:54,880
because right now as a character as far

1339
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:57,680
as anyone knows um has cancer which if

1340
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,880
that is true

1341
00:46:02,069 --> 00:46:00,400
god speeding dealing with that and

1342
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:02,079
getting treatment no one should have

1343
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:04,160
been harassing anyone or calling anyone

1344
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,079
out but you made the point michael that

1345
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:08,640
you didn't want to to attack the person

1346
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:09,599
and you know what you don't have to

1347
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:11,599
attack the person and even as nuts and

1348
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:14,000
bolts if someone came out tomorrow and

1349
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:16,079
claimed that they had uh nuts and bolts

1350
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:18,960
craft hidden away in the mojave desert

1351
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,839
and they were going to lead an

1352
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:21,839
expedition to there and they were going

1353
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:24,079
to do it via twitter poll and everything

1354
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:25,760
that's happened so far happened with

1355
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:28,000
that doesn't matter it's blue aliens

1356
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,480
hiding in a cave or if it was a ufo that

1357
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:32,240
was crashed in a cave

1358
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:33,520
just the way the whole thing's been

1359
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:36,240
handled and how it's how it's unfolded

1360
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:38,240
has been awful and i think there are

1361
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:39,839
just people now who are looking to jump

1362
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:43,359
on the bandwagon of can i grab anjali

1363
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:45,280
for an interview because people will

1364
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,680
find my channel or podcast

1365
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:49,440
and it's just it's just poor and that

1366
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,280
goes for for anyone who just quotes

1367
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:53,280
controversy in this subject

1368
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:55,040
i think people see that we tend to leave

1369
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:56,640
it alone

1370
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:58,240
yeah yeah i think i think you're right

1371
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:00,079
there i think like best case scenario

1372
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:02,880
it's a it's a scam the worst case is you

1373
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:05,760
know you know someone's a little

1374
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:08,079
not not stable or something so i think

1375
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:10,960
like it's a it's a tough thing to

1376
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:13,119
to have a go at like yeah i think and

1377
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:15,440
whatever it is where you can yeah that's

1378
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:17,040
it

1379
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:21,280
yeah if something happens down the line

1380
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,599
that and i would love my my ultimate

1381
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:25,280
outcome for this would be sometime down

1382
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:27,119
the line and jolly comes back on twitter

1383
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:30,079
and says i've got george knapp jeremy

1384
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:32,960
corbell louis elizondo chris melon jimmy

1385
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:35,520
church richard dolan and neil degrasse

1386
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:37,599
tyson all coming with me to the mojave

1387
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:39,200
tomorrow and we're going to meet the

1388
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:41,839
aliens fantastic and it happens and they

1389
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:43,280
do

1390
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:45,280
and they come out and something happens

1391
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:46,960
from there that would be brilliant is

1392
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,520
that going to happen

1393
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:51,359
almost guarantee it won't

1394
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,200
as much like playhood as everton winning

1395
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:55,440
the league this season so that's

1396
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:56,960
there's a chance there's a chance yeah

1397
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:58,079
that's it

1398
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:58,880
so

1399
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:01,920
where we're at with that but look

1400
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:03,040
michael we've run out of time we're

1401
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:04,079
going to have to get onto our next

1402
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:04,960
caller

1403
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,400
great points to bring up because we

1404
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:07,920
haven't managed to talk about those and

1405
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,200
i think it's some really good stuff to

1406
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:11,200
bring up and it's very timely as well so

1407
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:12,559
good talking with you michael and make

1408
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:13,920
sure you call in again next time okay

1409
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:16,319
yeah you too cheers guys cheers

1410
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:18,079
cheers

1411
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:21,280
next up we have a regular contributor to

1412
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,440
various different uh streams that we

1413
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:25,200
have we've got dave smeather steve how

1414
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:26,240
are we doing

1415
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:28,000
oh i'm doing great good to see you good

1416
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:31,520
to see dan as well very good yes

1417
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:33,280
dave can i just tell you i feel more

1418
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:34,960
honoured than chris playing tonight i'm

1419
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:37,520
obviously more important but dan

1420
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:39,520
you're here as well marvellous

1421
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:42,240
i every time i'm editing i always cringe

1422
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:44,800
because andy you know he'll often use

1423
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:46,720
that with people and i'm like it's not

1424
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:48,480
that at all i had stuff to do you know i

1425
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,920
have mad respect for chris and what he

1426
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:51,599
does well he's not me you need to

1427
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:53,680
convince chris not me

1428
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:55,200
for the sound of it

1429
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:56,800
for anyone who's not heard that yet on

1430
00:49:02,549 --> 00:49:01,040
the kgra show uh on the 5th of november

1431
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:02,559
uh interviewed chris plain who's the

1432
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:04,559
head science writer at the debrief that

1433
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,800
will go out on the the free feed in the

1434
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:08,880
main feed in a couple of weeks time but

1435
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:10,000
uh yeah if you want to check that one

1436
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,760
out it's on the kgra youtube channel

1437
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:13,200
just know that's what dave's referencing

1438
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:15,040
but it was a good talk i liked chris

1439
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:16,480
good speaking with him

1440
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:18,400
i thought he was brilliant actually he

1441
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:20,720
it was really good fantastic i thought i

1442
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:22,800
thought he was excellent so well worth

1443
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:24,880
listening to anyway he i didn't realize

1444
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:26,559
what a range he had and

1445
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:28,240
where he was coming from in the field so

1446
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:29,599
because i thought he was like a bit more

1447
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:32,400
conservative science guy but he he's got

1448
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:34,160
both i thought he was really i thought

1449
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,680
he'd come over really well anyway oh

1450
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:37,440
there you go no and dave you said some

1451
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,640
nice things about that interview because

1452
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,880
i know you'd heard chris before and uh

1453
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:42,480
you'd got in touch with me asking me to

1454
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:43,599
make it uh

1455
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:45,280
to make sure it wasn't a comedy show i

1456
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:46,960
think was pretty much your words and i

1457
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:48,640
was like i don't worry well we do our

1458
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:50,800
own styles don't we so i'm glad i'm glad

1459
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:52,079
it worked out chris was a good guy to

1460
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,920
talk to he's a funny guy too and you do

1461
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:55,440
need that kind of sense of humor i think

1462
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:57,680
in the subject to make it and last on it

1463
00:50:02,470 --> 00:50:00,559
so um yeah it's good to have chris

1464
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:02,480
he was a bit giddy wanting on the ucr

1465
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:04,559
one on my knife i thought that but there

1466
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:06,319
was a bit of a couple of sentences away

1467
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:08,960
from a chorus line there anyway

1468
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:11,359
i see lou doing the jazz hands as he saw

1469
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:13,839
goes but uh but but i mean it was all

1470
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:15,280
right on that they were just all new

1471
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:16,880
each other didn't they but yeah high

1472
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,720
energy high energy

1473
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:20,880
yeah that's we we're like the uk version

1474
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,160
which are much more polite and low

1475
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:24,720
energy that's what it is

1476
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,319
more miserable that's exactly what it is

1477
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:28,319
yeah um listen dave what do you want to

1478
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:29,680
talk about the floor is yours i've got

1479
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:31,200
two things which are that i think the

1480
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:33,119
contrasting sort of thing where we are

1481
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:35,280
in the field at the moment uh i'll let

1482
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:36,960
you we won't not hit you but i should

1483
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:38,480
tell you one first then the other but

1484
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:39,920
i'll try to be brief because i know

1485
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:41,520
time's always pressing

1486
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:43,200
the first one is an obvious one the

1487
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:45,359
pivotal change in this legislation we've

1488
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:46,480
sent it to

1489
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:48,640
is it galley galley brand

1490
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:50,000
yeah

1491
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:54,079
a presidential hopeful as i'm sure you

1492
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,359
all know this

1493
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:57,359
uh or a candidate i think she's got

1494
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,720
linked to

1495
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:00,640
the democrats there possibly links to

1496
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:03,119
chris mellon armed services committee

1497
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:04,960
intelligence committee

1498
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:07,280
so this idea of the azro office a beefed

1499
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:09,200
up link between the intelligence and

1500
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:10,559
defense

1501
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:12,880
possibly nominated members

1502
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:15,119
could i see lou and chris on there or

1503
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:17,440
who knows the nuclear thing where we see

1504
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:19,599
the doe pulled in

1505
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:21,440
stuff around the public reports it was a

1506
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:23,760
real for me a big step change

1507
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:25,599
or it could be a pivotal change in what

1508
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:27,440
happens assuming it's not opposed which

1509
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:29,200
it looks like it so i just wonder what

1510
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,480
you guys

1511
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:32,640
thought about that you know

1512
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:34,480
dan made a good point earlier that he

1513
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:37,839
sees like this subject and this topic

1514
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:40,000
seems to be very bipartisan

1515
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:42,000
and it doesn't seem to be getting any

1516
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:43,359
fight back does it from either side

1517
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:45,119
whether it's a democrat or a republican

1518
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:46,880
that's putting putting these notions

1519
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:49,680
forward or talking about ufos uap

1520
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:52,240
you know exotic technologies

1521
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:54,400
they don't seem to be using it as yet

1522
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:57,040
anyway in any sort of

1523
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:59,760
trash talking or talking down or what

1524
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,680
will be interesting i suppose is when

1525
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:03,599
when election times come up

1526
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:05,280
if any of these people

1527
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:06,480
that have been talking about this you

1528
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:08,960
know like a rubio or a warner or a gila

1529
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:11,280
brand or or anyone involved in this

1530
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,359
subject who has put these forward if

1531
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:15,599
it's used against them by

1532
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:17,280
their their colleagues should be running

1533
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:19,200
opposing them because i think that for

1534
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:21,200
me would show and be a big telltale sign

1535
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:25,990
dad can you imagine like

1536
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,599
if someone did use that against them i

1537
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:29,520
can just see rubio you know turning it

1538
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:31,280
back on him because of the way that he's

1539
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:33,599
been using the language to talk about

1540
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:34,880
uap

1541
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:37,040
you know he wouldn't say oh so you don't

1542
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:39,119
believe in uap he would say oh so you

1543
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:40,640
don't think we should have

1544
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:43,280
uh control over our skies that that

1545
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:45,280
would be and people would have to be

1546
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:47,200
crazy to disagree so i can almost see

1547
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:50,240
what how they would respond already um

1548
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:51,760
what i would love to see dan is actually

1549
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:53,200
rubio just say to him come here for a

1550
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:54,480
minute and he gets out his phone just

1551
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,480
says watch watch this quick video and

1552
00:52:59,910 --> 00:52:58,559
they just go oh yeah i agree we have to

1553
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,920
do more about this and i think we need

1554
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,440
briefings and

1555
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:03,119
absolutely that that's the other thing

1556
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:04,480
everyone that's come out with these

1557
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:06,400
briefings seems to be

1558
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,079
more convinced than they were before and

1559
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:10,079
they they don't come out going ah

1560
00:53:13,829 --> 00:53:12,079
actually i kind of agree with nick west

1561
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:13,839
you know they they're not being briefed

1562
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:16,079
on balloons they're being briefed on

1563
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:17,599
these incredible

1564
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:20,640
and on our

1565
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:21,920
i don't know if it would be out by now

1566
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:24,319
but and andy and i did a

1567
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,720
new show and i was saying that they only

1568
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:28,720
tend to ask

1569
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:30,319
the things that they know

1570
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:31,440
already

1571
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:34,400
so if there's a bunch of um

1572
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:35,680
you know if there's a bunch of data on

1573
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:39,200
biological issues um and a call for a

1574
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:41,440
public advisory committee 25 people from

1575
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:43,200
all these different institutions i

1576
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:45,119
imagine those people are already talking

1577
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:47,359
and they just want to formalize

1578
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:48,240
yeah

1579
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:49,839
did you see i thought it was interesting

1580
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:52,079
to tom is it tom rogan the article he

1581
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:54,319
did in the washington examiner where

1582
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:56,400
he's virtually saying well if you you

1583
00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:00,390
basically if you you're not a serious

1584
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:02,160
mainstream journalist if you don't think

1585
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,559
peop craft buzzing your nuclear weapons

1586
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:06,480
is uh you know he's not an issue to

1587
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:09,040
report on and i think it was uh was it i

1588
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:11,200
can't remember his name uh

1589
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:12,960
anyway another guy he wrote he virtually

1590
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:14,559
threw down the gauntlet to the media

1591
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:16,640
mainstream media to do it so i think

1592
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:18,720
that's exactly what he'd say rubio i

1593
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:20,720
think that you're exactly right there i

1594
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:22,960
i just thought it was a i thought it was

1595
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:25,200
potentially really important

1596
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:27,040
and i was thinking for senator

1597
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,640
gallibrand it might be quite interesting

1598
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:30,640
on a presidential cv at some point in

1599
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:32,559
the very distant future to have

1600
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:35,040
pioneered this issue so that was awesome

1601
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,200
we never know what you might see

1602
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:39,359
yeah absolutely the politicians pick up

1603
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:41,040
these hot button issues all the time and

1604
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:42,480
this is growing and growing and growing

1605
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:44,400
and growing i i know when we had that

1606
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:47,520
first bit of legislation um

1607
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:48,559
last year

1608
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:51,520
we we all realized that

1609
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:53,839
the youtube videos of like flyer and

1610
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:56,480
gimbal and go fast all have enough views

1611
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:57,680
now that

1612
00:55:01,750 --> 00:55:00,079
if each of those people voted

1613
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:01,760
it could swing the election

1614
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,760
and that was last year

1615
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,119
so

1616
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:07,119
it's it's just snowballing that was the

1617
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:08,559
phrase someone used earlier it's

1618
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:10,319
absolutely snowballing into something

1619
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:12,319
really big and and the people who aren't

1620
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:13,680
following along

1621
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:17,680
um are in for a bit of an awakening

1622
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:20,720
not to use a loaded term

1623
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:22,240
shall i get onto the other thing andy

1624
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:24,000
just conscious of time oh please dave

1625
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:25,839
yeah please we've got frank uh frank

1626
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:27,280
will be on with him soon but yeah go on

1627
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:29,040
dave the time is still yours

1628
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:31,520
i i should uh i've written this down so

1629
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:33,200
because it was a bit of a tongue twister

1630
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,880
has lou gone woo and should we too

1631
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:38,880
uh

1632
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:41,760
because i think he's talked about dna

1633
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:43,839
with the middle of the food chain

1634
00:55:47,910 --> 00:55:46,319
ancient civilizations possibly past ones

1635
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:47,920
and does the atlantis connection well he

1636
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:49,119
hasn't said that obviously i know he

1637
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,119
answered that dimensional reality

1638
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:53,280
possibly another race

1639
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:54,960
so i wondered if there was a new

1640
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:57,520
narrative sort of emerging and we've got

1641
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:00,559
john ramirez he's almost a link between

1642
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:03,280
uh lou and tom delonge you know that

1643
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:05,520
sort of woo and sort of tired

1644
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:06,799
intelligence

1645
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:09,359
and then from uh what's exo academy and

1646
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:11,280
then ross coulthard we've got this

1647
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:12,799
really weird stuff for this time

1648
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:14,640
traveler stuff coming in

1649
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:17,280
and even this cataclysm stuff so

1650
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:18,640
i feel like he's you're not you're

1651
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:20,400
almost being dragged down this side not

1652
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:21,839
rabbit hole but it's a rabbit hole

1653
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:23,760
that's got some a bit of

1654
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:26,319
heft behind it really so i just wondered

1655
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:27,920
what you thought about lou going wu

1656
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:29,520
which i don't think he is but he's going

1657
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:32,400
down a bit and generally

1658
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:34,480
he's taking a bit of a left turn soon in

1659
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:35,920
some ways the topic recently i was

1660
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:37,520
wondering what you thought

1661
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:39,280
oh yeah well left turn but an

1662
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:40,319
interesting

1663
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:42,559
dan let me let me just say this then i

1664
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:45,200
think that um the term were for a start

1665
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:46,640
i know some people don't like it because

1666
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:48,559
they think it's derogatory to

1667
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:51,119
you poohing some of the more out there

1668
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:52,640
stuff involved in the subject i don't

1669
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:53,920
mind it because i think right now it

1670
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:56,640
separates the nuts and bolts to the

1671
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:58,799
spiritual ethereal

1672
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:00,799
multi-dimensional interdimensional

1673
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,480
aspect of the conversation so i don't

1674
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:04,319
mind using wou and if anyone hears me

1675
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:05,920
say wow that's what i mean and that's so

1676
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:08,000
that's what dave means i'm sure as well

1677
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:09,599
um i think

1678
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:13,359
it's just a way of people like lou

1679
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:14,400
getting

1680
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,880
different language and different ideas

1681
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:19,200
into the conversation because it has to

1682
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:21,680
move down the line i've said before i

1683
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:23,280
think a couple of years ago when you saw

1684
00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:26,240
ludo his first interviews on uh on

1685
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:28,000
various like you know channels like fox

1686
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,960
or unidentified on history channel you

1687
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:32,640
saw him use certain language certain

1688
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:35,040
terminology and and he stayed away from

1689
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:37,920
opinion even back then i know he still

1690
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:40,240
generally veers away from opinion now

1691
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:42,000
but i have i have heard him more and

1692
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:44,240
more say i just want to clarify this is

1693
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:45,440
my opinion

1694
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:47,599
and then give opinion so

1695
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:49,599
i think he's just opening up different

1696
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:51,920
conversations and like i've said to dan

1697
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:54,400
i am no expert in people's ndas

1698
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:57,520
but if i was under an nda for something

1699
00:58:01,829 --> 00:57:59,760
as sensitive as this but i was still

1700
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:01,839
trying to have the conversation

1701
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:03,359
why wouldn't you throw out a little bit

1702
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:05,359
of opinion that's wrong with a little

1703
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:07,760
bit of opinion that has some aspects of

1704
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:09,680
truth to it because i'm sure that would

1705
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:12,319
be a way to keep the waters murky enough

1706
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:13,839
that you can have a bit more of a

1707
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:17,280
conversation to suggest a which is

1708
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:18,559
kinda right

1709
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:21,280
or b which is kinda wrong but you put

1710
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:22,880
them both out there and you let people

1711
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:24,240
kind of make up their own mind and i

1712
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:26,400
think like i said before with with tom

1713
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:27,359
delong

1714
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:31,680
loved my jigsaw analogy didn't they tom

1715
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:34,559
delong has a 100 piece jigsaw with half

1716
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:36,960
the pieces missing and he's scrambling

1717
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:38,240
about trying to work out what the

1718
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,400
picture is and he fills in the blanks

1719
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:42,480
himself i think what lou does now and

1720
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:45,040
again is give you an extra jigsaw piece

1721
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:46,559
and it just makes the picture a little

1722
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:54,150
yeah for sure it's we almost have to

1723
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:56,160
consider as well the implications of

1724
00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:58,319
slide nine and everything listed on that

1725
00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:00,160
slide nine was part of a briefing

1726
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:03,280
presentation um that had some really

1727
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:06,960
kind of woo stuff on it um

1728
00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:09,599
i i think we're being slowly walked kind

1729
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:10,880
of through

1730
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:12,000
through

1731
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:13,359
when when the community got their hands

1732
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:14,640
on slide 9 there were a lot of

1733
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:16,799
conversations about what the contents of

1734
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:18,480
it meant

1735
00:59:23,109 --> 00:59:21,119
it's a lot to digest and it's a huge

1736
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:23,119
paradigm shift to realize that that

1737
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:25,119
stuff is all real

1738
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:26,480
so i think

1739
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:28,960
this stuff isn't necessarily new if you

1740
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:30,880
were kind of knee-deep in this you you

1741
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:33,040
had an inclination it was going this way

1742
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:35,040
but it's certainly new to the mainstream

1743
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:37,359
conversation that lou's been having

1744
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:41,200
and i i just say if if people want to

1745
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:42,960
you know get get a little further ahead

1746
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:45,440
again um to listen to the breadcrumbs

1747
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:47,760
and and go off in on those threads that

1748
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:49,440
lou talks about and

1749
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,400
you know

1750
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:52,319
feed your curiosity and see where it

1751
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:57,910
yeah i mean it it is going i know what

1752
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:59,359
you mean about him raising other things

1753
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:00,960
and you're right but it does seem to be

1754
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:02,880
going in a particular

1755
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:04,799
direction doesn't it it's not like a

1756
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:07,599
random throwing out different ideas

1757
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:09,680
as it like in a seminar there is things

1758
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:12,319
about human origins

1759
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:14,160
about you know but a few other things

1760
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:15,520
that i thought were quite interesting

1761
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:17,280
and i do think when you hear ross cole

1762
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:19,440
start saying things about these what the

1763
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:21,040
other intelligence community people are

1764
01:00:25,109 --> 01:00:23,359
saying it's uh i don't know what i mean

1765
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,119
there's maybe there's just a bit of a

1766
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:27,440
what's the word a churn of ideas going

1767
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:29,119
around there and people are

1768
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:30,720
sort of throwing there too penetrating i

1769
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:35,750
we've got to keep every possibility on

1770
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:37,839
the table until it's proved otherwise

1771
01:00:41,430 --> 01:00:39,040
and

1772
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:41,440
before now we had humans are aliens that

1773
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:42,960
was the box

1774
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:45,280
and then as we know we had crypto

1775
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:47,040
terrestrials ultra-terrestrials all

1776
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:48,720
these other possibilities and now we're

1777
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:50,400
getting even more possibilities come

1778
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:52,720
into play so i i think

1779
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:54,480
like andy said it it's kind of

1780
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:57,359
exercising thinking outside of the box

1781
01:01:01,750 --> 01:00:59,760
because that's that's where the reality

1782
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:01,760
of this phenomenon is going to be

1783
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:04,079
it doesn't fit into you know it's a

1784
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:06,160
little green man from alpha centauri

1785
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:08,559
that kind of feels too it doesn't fit

1786
01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:16,069
steve that's it from that's it for me

1787
01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:18,400
guys apart from bill nelson uh saying

1788
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:21,040
it's something uh you know that that was

1789
01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:22,640
i thought that was a i thought that was

1790
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:24,640
a good show you did by the way with that

1791
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:26,400
but you know he could sort of he could

1792
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:28,640
sell you anything couldn't he

1793
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:30,480
he's an interesting guy to talk to

1794
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:32,559
interesting auditor as they would say

1795
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:34,079
but dave we'll leave you there mate and

1796
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:35,440
we'll get over to frank for the last

1797
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:37,119
call but thanks very much for calling in

1798
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:38,480
thanks for the patience but a little bit

1799
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:40,240
behind but always good to talk to you

1800
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:41,200
mate

1801
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:42,799
cheers guys great to talk to you see you

1802
01:01:50,309 --> 01:01:47,670
and to finish off after dave i can think

1803
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:50,319
of no one better to have on from the ufo

1804
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:52,319
thinker podcast we've got frank how we

1805
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:53,599
doing frank

1806
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:55,280
very well thanks

1807
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:56,880
awesome what are your thoughts mate what

1808
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:59,200
you're looking for the florida shows

1809
01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:01,200
yeah so so what i wanted to talk about

1810
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:03,039
is basically

1811
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:06,000
some of the incredibles megaliths and

1812
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:08,160
monuments from the ancient world

1813
01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:09,440
especially the

1814
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:11,119
the unbelievable precision of some of

1815
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:13,760
the enormous granite boxes in the

1816
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:16,240
seraphim of egypt

1817
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:18,000
kind of suggest that there may have been

1818
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:20,720
advancements in ancient technology way

1819
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:22,799
beyond what anybody has previously

1820
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:24,640
understood and i was just thinking

1821
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:26,160
perhaps there could have been some kind

1822
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:28,160
of links to some aspects of the

1823
01:02:33,029 --> 01:02:30,799
phenomenon in our distant past which

1824
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:33,039
perhaps made these kind of technological

1825
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:34,400
feats possible

1826
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:36,480
i'm not saying necessarily you know the

1827
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:38,160
aliens built the pyramids like that

1828
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:39,599
obviously but you know whether there may

1829
01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:41,280
be some links there and just kind of

1830
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:43,039
wondering what you guys thoughts were on

1831
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:44,160
that

1832
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:45,839
i mean i'll ask you frank first off do

1833
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:46,960
you think the aliens did build the

1834
01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:48,640
pyramids

1835
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:50,480
no i mean i don't think it's as simple

1836
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:52,160
as like literally you know flying

1837
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:54,160
saucers turned up and voila there's a

1838
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:56,480
pyramid or anything like that but maybe

1839
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:57,920
there could have been you know there's a

1840
01:03:02,230 --> 01:03:00,240
lot of talk of like um

1841
01:03:03,829 --> 01:03:02,240
you know the consciousness aspect of the

1842
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:03,839
phenomenon things like that perhaps

1843
01:03:08,950 --> 01:03:06,480
there's some kind of way that you know

1844
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:08,960
if there was an ancient more advanced

1845
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:10,880
civilization here on the on the planet

1846
01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:13,200
however long ago that was perhaps they

1847
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:15,280
tapped into some aspect of the

1848
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:17,440
consciousness thing and linked that with

1849
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:19,039
technologies maybe in some way that's

1850
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:20,640
kind of i mean i don't know but that's

1851
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:23,760
kind of my my thoughts really so

1852
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:25,760
yeah all all that fascinates me i've

1853
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:27,119
talked about how as a kid i was

1854
01:03:31,510 --> 01:03:29,200
interested in egypt and how or why these

1855
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:31,520
things may have been built and the way

1856
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:33,200
even just the pyramids and other other

1857
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:35,280
monoliths line up with the star systems

1858
01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:37,680
and constellations that would be so hard

1859
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:40,240
to do now even with our technologies

1860
01:03:44,069 --> 01:03:41,760
that they they managed to do that back

1861
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:44,079
then and i think when it comes to like

1862
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:45,760
tech you can think about these things in

1863
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:47,760
kind of very modern ways but

1864
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:50,559
are there other ways these

1865
01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:53,280
objects line up for a reason

1866
01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:54,960
are they the shape they are for a reason

1867
01:03:59,109 --> 01:03:57,200
that they draw and i think it's hard not

1868
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:59,119
to be tarnished by decades of watching

1869
01:04:02,630 --> 01:04:00,960
hollywood movies that oh yeah the

1870
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:02,640
pyramids you know are technically could

1871
01:04:06,789 --> 01:04:04,720
be spaceships they could be channeling

1872
01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:06,799
energy they could be lining up with star

1873
01:04:12,069 --> 01:04:08,480
systems for for whatever kind of

1874
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:12,079
mathematical reason but um

1875
01:04:15,190 --> 01:04:13,760
i don't know i think i think that's

1876
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:15,200
definitely an aspect to it and again

1877
01:04:18,870 --> 01:04:17,200
we've talked about um the eternals just

1878
01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:18,880
before frank the attorney's movie that

1879
01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:20,880
we've just both been easy and there's a

1880
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:22,480
lot of themes within that that talk

1881
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:23,359
about

1882
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:24,960
civilizations

1883
01:04:28,150 --> 01:04:27,119
through the millennia having helped our

1884
01:04:30,309 --> 01:04:28,160
guidance

1885
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:30,319
to allow technological advances for

1886
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:32,799
civilizations to grow and move on

1887
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:34,400
and i think that's

1888
01:04:38,950 --> 01:04:36,480
it would be very easy to say that

1889
01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:38,960
hollywood helps us with any kind of soft

1890
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:41,280
disclosure because it drip feeds out

1891
01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:43,280
these ideas to the public because if you

1892
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:45,599
were going to get new generations ready

1893
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:48,000
for that sort of thinking or these sort

1894
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:49,920
of ideas to come out to the mainstream

1895
01:04:52,470 --> 01:04:50,799
then

1896
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:52,480
what better vehicle to do it through

1897
01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:55,520
than a new marvel movie where you can

1898
01:05:01,589 --> 01:04:57,920
introduce the idea to children from age

1899
01:05:03,750 --> 01:05:01,599
you know three to three to 83 where

1900
01:05:07,109 --> 01:05:03,760
you know archaeological finds in the

1901
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:07,119
desert spaceships here interference in

1902
01:05:10,789 --> 01:05:08,559
the human genetics and human

1903
01:05:12,230 --> 01:05:10,799
civilization for thousands of years all

1904
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:12,240
these kind of things that we hear about

1905
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:15,119
and and ufology or ufos or aliens

1906
01:05:18,710 --> 01:05:17,440
are there in a hollywood movie

1907
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:18,720
and i think a lot of that was really

1908
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:20,240
interesting for me especially when you

1909
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:22,480
see them the the huge ship comes out the

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desert in iraq

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and you hear about different

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archaeological finds whether it's iraq

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you know afghanistan antarctica and

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it's a whole rabbit hole of a

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conversation isn't it

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01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:36,240
yeah definitely and it's it's kind of

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you know something i shied away from you

1918
01:05:42,069 --> 01:05:40,160
know years ago because of the typical

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01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:42,079
kind of ancient aliens thing it's not

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necessarily something i really bought

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01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:46,079
into but the more i look into

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these kind of the unbelievable precision

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of these monuments and the way that they

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were able to get cut so

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so accurate and so precise even though

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01:05:57,750 --> 01:05:55,920
it was you know many many thousands of

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years ago which is kind of turning out

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to be actually many thousands of years

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even before we thought it was you know

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things keep getting older as graham

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hancock always says and you know the

1932
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what the things louisando was talking

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about recently about things from the

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distant past and and all that kind of

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ties in with it as well so it's kind of

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reinvigorated a bit of interest for me

1937
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:19,190
with this kind of stuff it's always

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worth

1939
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you you highlighted while i thought when

1940
01:06:25,109 --> 01:06:23,440
you said you know i don't think the ufo

1941
01:06:26,309 --> 01:06:25,119
came down and there's like ropes hanging

1942
01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:26,319
off the ufo and they're picking up

1943
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blocks and you know transporting and

1944
01:06:30,829 --> 01:06:29,359
dropping them into place like a giant

1945
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:30,839
jenga block

1946
01:06:35,829 --> 01:06:33,440
um it's not like that life is usually

1947
01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:35,839
more subtle and and i think it's super

1948
01:06:40,470 --> 01:06:37,760
interesting that you know we've had the

1949
01:06:43,349 --> 01:06:40,480
ideas of humans being hybrids and our

1950
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:43,359
dna being tampered with for a long while

1951
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:44,160
but

1952
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in the kind of the realistic way that it

1953
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:50,079
could happen you know if a comet kind of

1954
01:06:54,069 --> 01:06:51,680
crashed on earth and had bacteria it

1955
01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:54,079
could affect the primates that we were

1956
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:56,319
and kind of make us develop in this way

1957
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:58,799
there are there are more subtle ways for

1958
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:00,960
things like hybridization to happen with

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the species then ancient aliens would

1960
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lead you to believe and and i think

1961
01:07:10,789 --> 01:07:07,839
that's probably where we're going to end

1962
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up kind of talking kind of like

1963
01:07:13,910 --> 01:07:11,920
even if

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one alien came down and fell in love

1965
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:15,760
with a woman you know it's

1966
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:17,520
it's gonna lead to a knock-on effect on

1967
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:21,599
the biosphere and the species um so

1968
01:07:25,589 --> 01:07:23,839
yeah it's it's very fascinating

1969
01:07:26,950 --> 01:07:25,599
especially when you consider that kind

1970
01:07:28,950 --> 01:07:26,960
of

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01:07:31,349 --> 01:07:28,960
like you said the precision in those

1972
01:07:33,190 --> 01:07:31,359
blocks the fact that

1973
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:33,200
until now we haven't really had a camera

1974
01:07:38,150 --> 01:07:35,760
that could probably capture exactly how

1975
01:07:39,910 --> 01:07:38,160
precise those blocks were and now we're

1976
01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:39,920
seeing that actually the lines between

1977
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:41,760
the blocks are kind of invisible that's

1978
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:44,000
how precise they are and we can't match

1979
01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:45,760
them you know our level of precision

1980
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:48,480
just isn't there so it does make me

1981
01:07:51,910 --> 01:07:49,760
wonder

1982
01:07:53,349 --> 01:07:51,920
when we'll get to that and if we'll get

1983
01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:53,359
to it as well it could have been we

1984
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:54,559
started with fire they could have

1985
01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:57,200
started with sound and you know we go

1986
01:08:01,510 --> 01:07:59,039
off on completely different paths so

1987
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,520
yeah very very interesting there's a lot

1988
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:03,359
there to be discovered i think the the

1989
01:08:08,069 --> 01:08:06,240
mainstream story doesn't add up

1990
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:08,079
and frank i love the idea as well that

1991
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:09,599
an alien comes down looks at the

1992
01:08:12,549 --> 01:08:11,520
pyramids and goes you shouldn't have

1993
01:08:16,709 --> 01:08:12,559
those

1994
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:16,719
whole other conversation that we had

1995
01:08:20,149 --> 01:08:17,920
like

1996
01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:20,159
anything else on that one frank

1997
01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:21,520
no i think that pretty much covers it

1998
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:22,719
really it's just really interesting to

1999
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:25,040
hear you guys thoughts on it i'd like to

2000
01:08:28,149 --> 01:08:26,319
know what have you got coming up on your

2001
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:28,159
podcast

2002
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:29,920
well as it happens i've actually got a

2003
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:32,480
chris leto is going to be on the on the

2004
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:34,000
show this coming week so we've got an

2005
01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:35,440
interview with chris which is going to

2006
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:37,920
be uh looking forward to that one and

2007
01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:39,440
i'm i'm actually doing an interview

2008
01:08:42,309 --> 01:08:41,120
later on tonight as well funny you were

2009
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:42,319
mentioning just before we started

2010
01:08:48,149 --> 01:08:45,600
recording about um ash ellis with the

2011
01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:48,159
uh ufo identified the the mini con in

2012
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:49,920
preston so i'm actually doing i'm

2013
01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:51,440
actually going to be doing an interview

2014
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:53,120
with with ash as well i'm actually on

2015
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:55,759
his podcast so brilliant

2016
01:08:59,110 --> 01:08:57,920
yeah plenty of exciting things in the

2017
01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:59,120
pipeline

2018
01:09:02,709 --> 01:09:00,560
nice well that's good people should be

2019
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:02,719
checking out ufo thinker podcast and

2020
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:04,080
frank one of your listeners actually

2021
01:09:08,070 --> 01:09:06,400
came over and found our show and that

2022
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:08,080
left us a very nice five-star review as

2023
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:09,520
well so i appreciate that one thank you

2024
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very much for for the recommendation

2025
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:13,600
oh yeah excellent that's great to hear i

2026
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:15,520
always obviously always pick you guys up

2027
01:09:19,749 --> 01:09:17,600
you know big inspiration to even get my

2028
01:09:21,669 --> 01:09:19,759
podcast started in the first place

2029
01:09:22,429 --> 01:09:21,679
cheers podcast inception we all just

2030
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pass it along

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[Laughter]

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always good to hear from you thanks for

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the call me and we'll speak to you again

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soon

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that is all for this week's show thank

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you very much for listening please

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2049
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is

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[Music]

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i can't imagine

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[Music]

2054
01:11:06,430 --> 01:11:04,310
there was something on my head and

2055
01:11:08,709 --> 01:11:06,440
everything was weird and everything was

2056
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:08,719
ready they thought this was noise they

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01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:31,590
[Music]

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01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:36,810
what's that

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01:12:03,750 --> 01:11:41,430
[Music]

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01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:05,830
what's that

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01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:11,760
[Music]

2062
01:12:20,490 --> 01:12:13,679
it wasn't a tic-tac and not quite a

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[Music]

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it's